Episode 358 · October 01, 2026
Content note: This conversation includes brief references to slavery, violent death and cancer in the context of family and historical patterns.
Turn the Coin Over: Family Patterns and Hidden Potential with Judy Wilkins-Smith
What happens when we stop looking at family patterns only for the things that need healing or changing?
Judy Wilkins-Smith returns to explore the other side of Emotional DNA: the traits, reactions and tendencies that may contain possibilities we haven’t recognized yet.
Starting with Agnes’s own family — and one troublesome case of perfectionism — the conversation quickly expands into creativity, restlessness, independence, family stories, conscious and unconscious transmission, and the patterns we may be creating for the generations following us.
They explore:
- Why the same tendency can look very different in two family members
- Perfectionism as more than something to suppress
- The relationship Judy sees between action and insight
- Creativity as an urge to make, build or “birth” something
- Restlessness as energy that may need purpose and direction
- The family members who ignore assumptions about age and limitation
- How to investigate a tendency when you don’t know earlier generations
- The patterns created when we deliberately parent or live differently
- What family stories and myths may reveal about what a family values
- Why Judy encourages us to look beyond limitations and toward potential
There are also detours through genealogy, Disney, a formidable great-grandmother, a swashbuckling ancestor and a Spanish princess whose historical credentials remain decidedly under investigation.
The invitation isn’t to prove where every characteristic came from. It’s to become curious about what keeps appearing — and what might happen when we turn the coin over.
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Agnes — in conversation with Judy Wilkins-Smith
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Meet The Guest: Judy Wilkins-Smith
Judy is a highly-regarded international, organizational, individual and family patterns expert, systemic coach and trainer. Founder of the US company, System Dynamics for Individuals & Organizations, she is a sought-after motivational and informational speaker for conferences and businesses.
Passionate about individual human potential, visionary leadership and positive, accelerated, global change, Judy’s work is truly revolutionary. Through her unique ability to understand critical relational dynamics and patterns in personal and organizational systems, she has taken the highly-esteemed healing methodologies of Systemic Work and Constellations to a whole new level for use as powerful new tools for personal growth and organizational transformation.
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Coming next: Judy Wilkins-Smith returns to take this family-tree rabbit hole considerably deeper.

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