Anne van Leynseele has never been particularly interested in following the expected path. Her career has taken her through Hollywood, digital media, government, law, cannabis and even an award-winning cacao farm in Hawaii.

Now Anne is questioning another expected path: traditional retirement. She created Preferment®, an approach that asks us to think beyond financial preparation and consider how we actually want to live when work no longer structures our days.

In this conversation, Anne and Agnes explore:

• Why Anne has spent her life collecting experiences rather than things

• What repeated reinvention has taught her about change and adaptation

• Why financial planning is only part of preparing for retirement

• Preferment® and the idea of moving toward something rather than simply retiring from something

• Identity when our job title is no longer part of the introduction

• Whether a meaningful next chapter really needs continued achievement

• The difference between filling time and fulfilling time

• Rediscovering curiosity after years of meeting other people’s needs

• Why intentional downtime belongs in a well-designed life

• Adapting the things we love rather than automatically giving them up

• Replacing the social connections that once came automatically through work

• The value of intergenerational friendships and community

• Three questions worth asking before retirement — including what your ideal ordinary Tuesday might look like

• And why an award-winning cacao farmer has rather definite opinions about what deserves to be called chocolate

Retirement may give us something we haven’t had in decades: large stretches of time that truly belong to us. Anne’s invitation isn’t simply to fill those hours, but to consider what might make them fulfilling.

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Anne van Leynseele has built five careers, written three books, and created Preferment™, a research-backed alternative to retirement for accomplished people.

A former Hollywood producer, Fortune 100 consultant, and Obama Administration attorney-advisor, Anne speaks on contribution, growth, and designing a post-career life that is equal to your extraordinary life.

Preferment™ asks where you’ll matter next.